Comments on: Not Where They Want To Be http://blog.denverbroncos.com/mrice/not-where-they-want-to-be/ Sat, 25 May 2013 01:17:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: monodono http://blog.denverbroncos.com/mrice/not-where-they-want-to-be/comment-page-1/#comment-34959 monodono Wed, 31 Dec 2008 19:27:09 +0000 http://blog.denverbroncos.com/mrice/2008/12/29/not-where-they-want-to-be/#comment-34959 ALEX GIBBS Not Joe Gibbs. Get your facts straight before you correct. ALEX GIBBS Not Joe Gibbs. Get your facts straight before you correct.

]]> By: Jack_Fan http://blog.denverbroncos.com/mrice/not-where-they-want-to-be/comment-page-1/#comment-34958 Jack_Fan Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:58:39 +0000 http://blog.denverbroncos.com/mrice/2008/12/29/not-where-they-want-to-be/#comment-34958 Alex Gibbs???? Was way in over his head in Washington. He'll stick to watching cars go in circles for a while. I'm looking for a lesser known name. Maybe a Kubiak return? Alex Gibbs???? Was way in over his head in Washington. He’ll stick to watching cars go in circles for a while.

I’m looking for a lesser known name. Maybe a Kubiak return?

]]> By: monodono http://blog.denverbroncos.com/mrice/not-where-they-want-to-be/comment-page-1/#comment-34957 monodono Wed, 31 Dec 2008 03:59:20 +0000 http://blog.denverbroncos.com/mrice/2008/12/29/not-where-they-want-to-be/#comment-34957 I REALLY WANT ALEX GIBBS ! ! ! I REALLY WANT ALEX GIBBS ! ! !

]]> By: stillafan http://blog.denverbroncos.com/mrice/not-where-they-want-to-be/comment-page-1/#comment-34956 stillafan Wed, 31 Dec 2008 03:05:03 +0000 http://blog.denverbroncos.com/mrice/2008/12/29/not-where-they-want-to-be/#comment-34956 watch what you wish for you might just get it shanny is gone now i just hope his replacement doesnt screw up this offense now it gets interesting watch what you wish for you might just get it shanny is gone now i just hope his replacement doesnt screw up this offense now it gets interesting

]]> By: monodono http://blog.denverbroncos.com/mrice/not-where-they-want-to-be/comment-page-1/#comment-34955 monodono Wed, 31 Dec 2008 01:16:02 +0000 http://blog.denverbroncos.com/mrice/2008/12/29/not-where-they-want-to-be/#comment-34955 THAT;S RIGHT NOT ALL DEFFENSE! I WANT ALEX GIBBS ! ! ! THAT;S RIGHT NOT ALL DEFFENSE!

I WANT ALEX GIBBS ! ! !

]]> By: CARAMELLOO http://blog.denverbroncos.com/mrice/not-where-they-want-to-be/comment-page-1/#comment-34954 CARAMELLOO Wed, 31 Dec 2008 01:09:37 +0000 http://blog.denverbroncos.com/mrice/2008/12/29/not-where-they-want-to-be/#comment-34954 Thanks monodono, yeah gotta give one to Jackson as well. If they would've had him in there early in the season I think he could've broke a few bc he was on the verge of breaking one or two sunday night. Like you always say... T.O.P is a mutha and so many pass plays with so few run plays. Esp. when the running game was working. Thanks monodono, yeah gotta give one to Jackson as well. If they would’ve had him in there early in the season I think he could’ve broke a few bc he was on the verge of breaking one or two sunday night. Like you always say… T.O.P is a mutha and so many pass plays with so few run plays. Esp. when the running game was working.

]]> By: Thornyissue http://blog.denverbroncos.com/mrice/not-where-they-want-to-be/comment-page-1/#comment-34939 Thornyissue Tue, 30 Dec 2008 23:49:11 +0000 http://blog.denverbroncos.com/mrice/2008/12/29/not-where-they-want-to-be/#comment-34939 Heres my take. Cutler had to take it all on himself, IMO didn't have a probowl season, plenty of poor throws, but he was up against it all year, no respect for the run, and the defense non-existent. He's the heart of the team. Selvin's 2k year set the tone for the backs. (When will they learn to shut up and play?) Hillis will be a GREAT fullback. (NOT tailback) Pittman is a good, not great, short yardage back. The rest of the backs didn't get to show much, so I'd expect we'd take another gamble in the late rounds of the draft. Not much in the way of a feature back available, imo. O-Line: Wow. I hope Nalen comes back, but I don't think he could have played much better than CW. Ben still builds a fire, and Kuper is a good young player. it still wouldn't hurt my feelings, though, if the best player available in the fourth or fifth round is a versatile future probowl interior lineman. As to tight ends, I love 'em. Graham became a pass catching threat, and Tony, when healthy, is scary good. (outside of a few dropped passes) WR - The first group is as talented as any in the league. Seems like they lost a little focus, though. Guy drops balls and then cry when they're open and the QB can't deliver. And who is teaching this catch and dive technique? Goes well with the catch and dance! Turn it up field and get what you can. Eddie is a future probowler, but proved late that he's human. Defense - Here's where I might disagree with some of you. First on my list of problems is the system/coach. They supposedly simplified it. BOY, I'LL SAY!! Every QB in the league drooled to play us. They knew what was coming and knew they'd have no pressure! Imo, a defense can't operate in "take what they give" mode. A defense has to surprise and be DISRUPTIVE! In all fairness, though, defensive playcalling might have just been a response to the lack of talent.., healthy talent, anyway. DL - I don't believe the situation as dire as some of you. Thomas is a good young tackle. His numbers would grow with a few more producers around him. DR, imo, is a very good second tier talent, valuable for rotation and situations. The other tackles played hard, but nobody in there is getting penetration or pressure consistently. Sure, Haynesworth is available, but I wonder how the payday he'll get will affect his play. i don't see but a couple of DTs in the draft who could help (Jerry/ Marks?) but maybe a trade (Woodyard?) or a sleeper would be the answer. DE - Everybody loves Doom (me too), but I see him as more of a situational player; a difficult matchup for many pass blocking tackles and more of a change of pace with a more traditional run-stuffing-pass-blocking-induce terror type of end. But wait, we haven't got one of those... Eng and Ek are journeyman ends with lots of experience and show-up-every-down talent, but neither is exciting (very often), and while you need veteran leadership and knowledge, you gotta have some crackle at end. I thought we'd drafted some a couple years back, where'd those guys go? This off season will tell a lot, there. LB - Who PLANS to lose your whole starting linebacking corps? DJ is as good as it gets, period. Boss showed promise. The other guys got some some serious experience, and, I agree, brought some energy we hadn't seen for a while. What's missing is the "presence" that Al brought. Nate works hard, maybe too hard, missing often and sacrificing a tackle for the spectacular hit more than I'd like. I think he's gone anyway, but this is the place change could make the most difference next year, imo, and it looks like a good draft year for middle backers. DB - I still think we have two elite cornerbacks, but only two. Qbs in the league today will abuse ANY corner when given 10 seconds to casually peruse their options. It also helps when you can count on safety help, which was not usually the case this year. Lynch leaving, as it turned out, hurt a little, but only because the guys we brought in weren't all that special either. He probably would have made many of those huge breakaway runs much smaller breakaway runs, but, while I thought the world of the guy, he'd more than likely have been average or less this year, not like him, and better he got out when he did. Barrett has the physical tools, and may be a good safety if he catches the learning curve. The game experience he got can't hurt. Woodyard, if they are serious about making him a safety, might really help situationally. I wish they all had his motor. The other safeties and corners are average, or haven't had the chance to show much, imo. I wish we could have melded Foxworth and Paymah. Fox is smart, a model citizen, good in coverage, and never hit anybody. I watched him play again this year, nothing's changed. Paymah is a good tackler who's always a step or two out of position to break up a pass. I'm guessing he'll play a bit elsewhere. Prater - Was he hurt? More than cold balls (sorry) are to blame for his kickoff prowess falling off. I wasn't expecting field goal perfection, but it sure looked like he would be a weapon on kickoffs. And Kern? The fact that nobody is talking about him speaks volumes. Seems to be a keeper. Coaches - Some here wonder if the team might benefit from Shanahan taking a "general manager" position, much like Parcells at Miami. I think it's clear that play calling has been less successful since Kubiak left, and the defense has been unimaginative and ineffective since Al was scuttled. I don't think the GM thing is a good idea. Mike got a lot from the team he had left this year. He made decisions this year on fourth downs and clock management where a lesser coach might haved feared repercussions. While fans love gimmicks, Mike, imo, showed some real creativity over the last couple of years in a talent/health drought. I'd sure love to see what he can do with another good draft and another years experience. As to Slowik? Well, I suggest Bob try skydiving or bungie jumping this offseason. The conservative approach didn't work this year. We gave up long runs all season. QBs settled into their pockets and played pitch and catch. The line seemed to be playing a "stand your guy up and maintain your lane" game instead of penetrating and causing havoc. Blitzes were rare. Sacks were rare. Corners seemed willing to give up on anything in front of them, gambling rarely. I might be alone here, but it seems to me that Rivers will keep his smirk until someone can knock it off, and that may require some gambling and playmaking from the defense. Fans - Still the best fans in football. Sorry to vent at such length, but it kinda feels good. thank goodness nobody reads this cr*p anyway. T Heres my take. Cutler had to take it all on himself, IMO didn’t have a probowl season, plenty of poor throws, but he was up against it all year, no respect for the run, and the defense non-existent. He’s the heart of the team.
Selvin’s 2k year set the tone for the backs. (When will they learn to shut up and play?) Hillis will be a GREAT fullback. (NOT tailback) Pittman is a good, not great, short yardage back. The rest of the backs didn’t get to show much, so I’d expect we’d take another gamble in the late rounds of the draft. Not much in the way of a feature back available, imo.
O-Line: Wow. I hope Nalen comes back, but I don’t think he could have played much better than CW. Ben still builds a fire, and Kuper is a good young player. it still wouldn’t hurt my feelings, though, if the best player available in the fourth or fifth round is a versatile future probowl interior lineman. As to tight ends, I love ‘em. Graham became a pass catching threat, and Tony, when healthy, is scary good. (outside of a few dropped passes)
WR – The first group is as talented as any in the league. Seems like they lost a little focus, though. Guy drops balls and then cry when they’re open and the QB can’t deliver. And who is teaching this catch and dive technique? Goes well with the catch and dance! Turn it up field and get what you can. Eddie is a future probowler, but proved late that he’s human.
Defense – Here’s where I might disagree with some of you.
First on my list of problems is the system/coach. They supposedly simplified it. BOY, I’LL SAY!! Every QB in the league drooled to play us. They knew what was coming and knew they’d have no pressure! Imo, a defense can’t operate in “take what they give” mode. A defense has to surprise and be DISRUPTIVE! In all fairness, though, defensive playcalling might have just been a response to the lack of talent.., healthy talent, anyway.
DL – I don’t believe the situation as dire as some of you. Thomas is a good young tackle. His numbers would grow with a few more producers around him. DR, imo, is a very good second tier talent, valuable for rotation and situations. The other tackles played hard, but nobody in there is getting penetration or pressure consistently. Sure, Haynesworth is available, but I wonder how the payday he’ll get will affect his play. i don’t see but a couple of DTs in the draft who could help (Jerry/ Marks?) but maybe a trade (Woodyard?) or a sleeper would be the answer.
DE – Everybody loves Doom (me too), but I see him as more of a situational player; a difficult matchup for many pass blocking tackles and more of a change of pace with a more traditional run-stuffing-pass-blocking-induce terror type of end. But wait, we haven’t got one of those… Eng and Ek are journeyman ends with lots of experience and show-up-every-down talent, but neither is exciting (very often), and while you need veteran leadership and knowledge, you gotta have some crackle at end. I thought we’d drafted some a couple years back, where’d those guys go? This off season will tell a lot, there.
LB – Who PLANS to lose your whole starting linebacking corps? DJ is as good as it gets, period. Boss showed promise. The other guys got some some serious experience, and, I agree, brought some energy we hadn’t seen for a while. What’s missing is the “presence” that Al brought. Nate works hard, maybe too hard, missing often and sacrificing a tackle for the spectacular hit more than I’d like. I think he’s gone anyway, but this is the place change could make the most difference next year, imo, and it looks like a good draft year for middle backers.
DB – I still think we have two elite cornerbacks, but only two. Qbs in the league today will abuse ANY corner when given 10 seconds to casually peruse their options. It also helps when you can count on safety help, which was not usually the case this year. Lynch leaving, as it turned out, hurt a little, but only because the guys we brought in weren’t all that special either. He probably would have made many of those huge breakaway runs much smaller breakaway runs, but, while I thought the world of the guy, he’d more than likely have been average or less this year, not like him, and better he got out when he did. Barrett has the physical tools, and may be a good safety if he catches the learning curve. The game experience he got can’t hurt. Woodyard, if they are serious about making him a safety, might really help situationally. I wish they all had his motor. The other safeties and corners are average, or haven’t had the chance to show much, imo. I wish we could have melded Foxworth and Paymah. Fox is smart, a model citizen, good in coverage, and never hit anybody. I watched him play again this year, nothing’s changed. Paymah is a good tackler who’s always a step or two out of position to break up a pass. I’m guessing he’ll play a bit elsewhere.
Prater – Was he hurt? More than cold balls (sorry) are to blame for his kickoff prowess falling off. I wasn’t expecting field goal perfection, but it sure looked like he would be a weapon on kickoffs. And Kern? The fact that nobody is talking about him speaks volumes. Seems to be a keeper.
Coaches – Some here wonder if the team might benefit from Shanahan taking a “general manager” position, much like Parcells at Miami. I think it’s clear that play calling has been less successful since Kubiak left, and the defense has been unimaginative and ineffective since Al was scuttled. I don’t think the GM thing is a good idea. Mike got a lot from the team he had left this year. He made decisions this year on fourth downs and clock management where a lesser coach might haved feared repercussions. While fans love gimmicks, Mike, imo, showed some real creativity over the last couple of years in a talent/health drought. I’d sure love to see what he can do with another good draft and another years experience. As to Slowik? Well, I suggest Bob try skydiving or bungie jumping this offseason. The conservative approach didn’t work this year. We gave up long runs all season. QBs settled into their pockets and played pitch and catch. The line seemed to be playing a “stand your guy up and maintain your lane” game instead of penetrating and causing havoc. Blitzes were rare. Sacks were rare. Corners seemed willing to give up on anything in front of them, gambling rarely. I might be alone here, but it seems to me that Rivers will keep his smirk until someone can knock it off, and that may require some gambling and playmaking from the defense.
Fans – Still the best fans in football.
Sorry to vent at such length, but it kinda feels good. thank goodness nobody reads this cr*p anyway. T

]]> By: dlmyers http://blog.denverbroncos.com/mrice/not-where-they-want-to-be/comment-page-1/#comment-34919 dlmyers Tue, 30 Dec 2008 22:08:49 +0000 http://blog.denverbroncos.com/mrice/2008/12/29/not-where-they-want-to-be/#comment-34919 Mr. Rice, These bloggers can rant, complain, criticize, or whatever about the Broncos, but there is only one element missing from the Broncos staff and that is; A DEFENSIVE TALENT EVALUATOR Mike is VERY effective on the offensive side but SUCKS on the defensive side. Just check the records. -2008, great draft (5 offense high contributors, 4 defense no contributors). CFA very good with 4 contributors). FA bad, all defense (Robertson, Boss, Niko). -2007 half a draft (good Harris, Thomas, bad Moss, Crowder) FA Stockley very good. FA Bly Green? -2006 great draft (5 offense 1 defense) no FA left from Browns ENOUGH SAID Mr. Rice,
These bloggers can rant, complain, criticize, or whatever about the Broncos, but there is only one element missing from the Broncos staff and that is;
A DEFENSIVE TALENT EVALUATOR
Mike is VERY effective on the offensive side but SUCKS on the defensive side. Just check the records.
-2008, great draft (5 offense high contributors, 4 defense no contributors). CFA very good with 4 contributors). FA bad, all defense (Robertson, Boss, Niko).
-2007 half a draft (good Harris, Thomas, bad Moss, Crowder) FA Stockley very good. FA Bly Green?
-2006 great draft (5 offense 1 defense) no FA left from Browns

ENOUGH SAID

]]> By: orangecrush'n http://blog.denverbroncos.com/mrice/not-where-they-want-to-be/comment-page-1/#comment-34915 orangecrush'n Tue, 30 Dec 2008 21:21:08 +0000 http://blog.denverbroncos.com/mrice/2008/12/29/not-where-they-want-to-be/#comment-34915 Get rid of every one on "D" with the exception of Woodyard. Keep Bailey, but know this: He is no longer a shut dow corner, but he is a sound tackling corner. Teams no longer fear the champ. Why Woodyard and Larson did not get on the field in the last few games is beyond me. Get rid of every one on “D” with the exception of Woodyard. Keep Bailey, but know this: He is no longer a shut dow corner, but he is a sound tackling corner. Teams no longer fear the champ. Why Woodyard and Larson did not get on the field in the last few games is beyond me.

]]> By: orangecrush'n http://blog.denverbroncos.com/mrice/not-where-they-want-to-be/comment-page-1/#comment-34918 orangecrush'n Tue, 30 Dec 2008 20:46:35 +0000 http://blog.denverbroncos.com/mrice/2008/12/29/not-where-they-want-to-be/#comment-34918 Mooncamping- Did I read that right... you said trade Marshal, Royal, and Stokely. You must be camping on the moon, that was the silliest junk I have ever read on these blogs. Stop smoking that moon sand! Stop it! Mooncamping-

Did I read that right… you said trade Marshal, Royal, and Stokely. You must be camping on the moon, that was the silliest junk I have ever read on these blogs. Stop smoking that moon sand! Stop it!

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